Yeah it`s rather bad, would have used at least 12 GB.

You can tweak settings to run under 8gb... should be fine if priced right. Hopefully its 500 bucks or less.

引用自 peremptor：

You can tweak settings to run under 8gb... should be fine if priced right. Hopefully its 500 bucks or less.

your probably gonna be disappointed, all indications are double or triple that from every thing I have seen. No one is predicting it at less than a grand at minimum. Console makers sell at a loss or near to it to sell games, Valves already signaled it won't be doing that, and memory pricing is gonna be another inflated driver.

引用自 Somebody：

I think they are making one BIG mistake with this steam machine.
8 GB VRAM is borderline low even for games today.

They should have made the VRAM 16 GB to be useful for many years in the future.

If only you had started a wildly successful company you could design your Somebody Machine to your standards. But alas, the people who've actually done the work and have significantly more expertise than you get to make their Steam Machine.

Sure opinions are fine, but consider that you might not understand the rationale and vision for the current hardware specs.

After all, if they're trying to hit a certain price point, trying to meet every wishful upgrade would blow the target price to smithereens. It's not like they built their dream machine and then considered price second. I mean yeah, a $2000 Steam machine would probably be pretty sweet. But they're gonna sell a lot fewer of those than what they're gonna release.

引用自 nullable：

引用自 Somebody：

I think they are making one BIG mistake with this steam machine.
8 GB VRAM is borderline low even for games today.

They should have made the VRAM 16 GB to be useful for many years in the future.

If only you had started a wildly successful company you could design your Somebody Machine to your standards. But alas, the people who've actually done the work and have significantly more expertise than you get to make their Steam Machine.

Sure opinions are fine, but consider that you might not understand the rationale and vision for the current hardware specs.

After all, if they're trying to hit a certain price point, trying to meet every wishful upgrade would blow the target price to smithereens. It's not like they built their dream machine and then considered price second. I mean yeah, a $2000 Steam machine would probably be pretty sweet. But they're gonna sell a lot fewer of those than what they're gonna release.

You don't have to make another company, you can more than likely build your own for the same price as what valve will price it at, possibly even cheaper if you already had mem sticks lying around. I have absolutely no idea what market Valve is aiming for with this. Consolers arn't going to adopt it, not at the likely price point. And PC steam users already have a better, equivalent, or a base they can upgrade from at a much lower price point.

引用自 DasKippa：

And PC steam users already have a better, equivalent, or a base they can upgrade from at a much lower price point.

No, they don't. I think you're grossly overestimating the average hardware level of PC hardware being used on Steam. Or the willingness of PC gamers to build their own systems or upgrade their systems.

So of course you don't understand, your assumptions are based on guesses and incomplete info.

Is it so hard to accept Valve has infinitely better data about their users hardware than you do? And some kind of "expertise" concerning PC gaming? A lot more than you have.

引用自 nullable：

引用自 DasKippa：

And PC steam users already have a better, equivalent, or a base they can upgrade from at a much lower price point.

No, they don't. I think you're grossly overestimating the average hardware level of PC hardware being used on Steam. Or the willingness of PC gamers to build their own systems or upgrade their systems.

So of course you don't understand, your assumptions are based on guesses and incomplete info.

Is it so hard to accept Valve has infinitely better data about their users hardware than you do? And some kind of "expertise" concerning PC gaming? A lot more than you have.

lol let me guess, you think the Steam hardware list reflects reality. It would be hilarious if Valve(assuming they even believe it) gets hoisted on it's own petard as pay back for all the developers who made optimization decisions based off that fantasy. That thing has been a dead letter for years.

EDIT speaking of dead it doesn't remove surveys from inactive or deceased accounts (which means those legacy surveys weight the avg) And since it's a limited sample survey (while keeping configs of accounts not in survey in the data set) not a platform wide poll every month with complete fresh data, the whole thing is weighted to favor old and invalid specs. Nor does it survey multi machines on the same account, your kids laptop from 5 years ago has as good or better odds being represented in it than the rig you actually run today daily. And it gets worse every new Hware gen.

If hardware companies were actually selling that little hardware reflected in the Steam list, they wouldn't still be in business (at least before AI support became so lucrative) And even assuming the, lol 70%, figure was in anyway accurate those users have a path to upgrade one or two components (for much cheaper) to get comparable or better results. A SM is gonna be Ewaist before the next console gen is even 1/2 way done with no upgrade path to close the gap. if it's priced AS a console bad enough, but if it follows PC pricing peeps will just stream to their Steam deck from their reg rig. and skip the gabe cube. The SD and switch fill a niche, consoles fill a niche, PC's /laptops cover the gambit, the SM doesn't seem sure where it fits.

It resembles a solution looking for a problem to solve, it might work out, but I don't give great odds. I do however, suspect Sony is waiting with baited breath what it's final specs/price is gonna be.. .. target acquired. With mem, SSD and Gpu volatility the SM will likely be a godsend to Sony for market targeting. With the volatility and MS doing whatever it's doing they were kinda in llmbo, I suspect that will change on SM's launch day. Regardless if Valve sees Sony as a competitor or not, I can promise Sony will view it thata way. And they have never been shy about under pricing haware to steal a march. With todays pricing volatility that habit very well may have an out sized impact, and not just for consoles.

Nvidia users: 8GB of VRAM is enough guys!

Also Nvidia users: 8GB isnt enough in competing products!.

They'll start with this then in 6 months or so...

Steam Machine Pro Edition will release with 16GB RAM. LOL!

i don't think its that bad. my living room PC im currently running has the radeon 6700 with only 10gb vram and it's been amazing for me running all my VR needs, Fortnite and GTA Online in 1080p with 60fps. 1080 doesnt look bad on my 4k tv.. maybe cuz i sit far away.. but at any rate the steammachine gonna do some 4k voodoo, aint it? btw the steamdeck only has 16gb ram total of which it can only allocate up to 8gb for the gpu processing and yet we all love that thing.

it could be better, sure, but i agree with everyone saying that there must have been an effort here to keep the price down for what is meant to be a secondary device for those of us that been had PC's already, and an introductory system for those that ain't been had.

引用自 psi onix：

it could be better, sure, but i agree with everyone saying that there must have been an effort here to keep the price down for what is meant to be a secondary device for those of us that been had PC's already, and an introductory system for those that ain't been had.

Pretty sure people are way too optimistic about the price.

引用自 Rumpelcrutchskin：

引用自 psi onix：

it could be better, sure, but i agree with everyone saying that there must have been an effort here to keep the price down for what is meant to be a secondary device for those of us that been had PC's already, and an introductory system for those that ain't been had.

Pretty sure people are way too optimistic about the price.

Like how? What price are you talking about?

引用自 udidwht：

They'll start with this then in 6 months or so...

Steam Machine Pro Edition will release with 16GB RAM. LOL!

I’m almost sure that Valve won’t release a different version any time soon but I’m 100% sure there will be alternatives from other brands and it will be possible to buy custom PCs (9800x3D+9070XT for example) with pre installed SteamOS.

引用自 The_Abortionator：

引用自 Rumpelcrutchskin：

Pretty sure people are way too optimistic about the price.

Like how? What price are you talking about?

Valve guessed at a wrong time for this. with mem/storage prices exploding along with Gpu's already going nutz their goal of "competitive" pricing is most likely gonna leave them vulnerable to something like Sony who is perfectly fine under pricing hardware..And whether or not Valve realizes it or not, that will be the competition, not PC's from the mytical Hware list of yore

引用自 DasKippa：

引用自 The_Abortionator：

Like how? What price are you talking about?

Valve guessed at a wrong time for this. with mem/storage prices exploding along with GHu's already going nutz their goal of "competitive" pricing is most likely gonna leave them vulnerable to something like Sony who is perfectly fine under pricing hardware..

True but it’s missing the full context.
Steam Machine is a PC and will likely compete against prebuilts, miniPCs and laptops for gaming. Having less of expensive memory will give them even bigger pricing advantage.
PlayStation is cheaper to buy but the prices of games and online access is absurd comparing to Steam (and key stores).

Plus, no other PC has Steam branding. Many people will buy it just for that reason alone.
Others will buy it for the cheapest Linux based desktop PC.