Squallrain 11 月 13 日 下午 9:29
Steam Machine
Hi ! I'm not so sure about the Steam Machine. it looks like a great device and is like a home Steam Deck. That's awesome. But I have a PC that's five times more powerful than the new Steam Machine. I'd like some version of the Steam Machine Pro. It would be the same performance as a $1,500 PC or higher, so that it would make sense to upgrade. Otherwise, it's a downgrade and doesn't make sense to me.

I think I'm not the only one who really liked the Steam Machine, but buying one with these specs doesn't make sense. I need something more powerful. Do you think there will be different versions of Steam Machines?
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Zef 11 月 13 日 下午 11:08 
This isn't for you.

Almost everyone that doesn't "get it", are PC builders people and/or those with +-2K or higher gaming PC's.

Yes ofc your 1.5K gaming PC will be better, that's not the point, the point is to deliver a ready to go entree level gaming pc for those that DON't. (aka the hordes running ♥♥♥♥♥♥ notebook(s) and decade old PC's.

And the last thing they should do is implement different tier level steam machines, this will only fragment their ecosystem. The alternative for those that want the best of the best already exists: it's called regular gaming PC's.
hehe valve didnt learn with other steam machine now they do it again, it will fail just like last time

valve never learns
valve should continue making hl games instead of trying new stuff which fails
smallcat 11 月 13 日 下午 11:38 
Many kids dont know what is inside a PC . They want to turn the device and play their favorite games . Steam machine would meet their needs .

If someone wants 2K thing ok ,builders everywhere . My old PC is faster .i like to tinker and be able to upgrade and change things . But many dont bother with this , their field of knowledge is different and they need something user friendly .i guess Steam Machine would be ok for them.
Game1Retroz 11 月 13 日 下午 11:38 
Iv'e built gaming PC's for many years but due to the rising costs of parts it's not a great option for some right now, Steams offering looks like it could be a good option for those currently on ageing gaming laptops (1050, 1060 and 1660 TI etc) and for those that want to make the jump from Windows to Linux in a very user friendly way.

I have also read there is a 30% performance boost with Steam OS compared to a Windows 11 machine with similar hardware to Steam machine, it's never going to out do top end hardware but it's a good option for those mentioned, especially if Valve get the price right and besides it's tiny and can fit almost anywhere so that's a plus.
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smallcat 11 月 13 日 下午 11:53 
4% still using gtx 1650 .Steam machine should be 2.44x faster and with x2 VRAM
TheRandomGuy 11 月 14 日 上午 12:04 
hehe valve didnt learn with other steam machine now they do it again, it will fail just like last time

valve never learns

The first Steam Machines literally weren't made by Valve. I remember them. They were all third party devices using the first version of Valve's SteamOS operating system.

That was the root of the problem. You had multiple companies like Alienware, iBuyPower, CyberpowerPC, and the like all making their own models of the Steam Machine. Some which were more powerful than others, but all were kinda underpowered a bit if I remember right.

Not having a one-size fits all approach to hardware meant some games would work better or worse depending on your model, which is confusing to customers and people who would normally be interested in buying them.

Second problem was that official Linux support for games was nonexistant. At the time of the first Steam Machines, Linux only had a few supported games on Steam, compared to Windows which made up support for like 99% of all games.

That problem was unofficially solved by Valve. A few years ago, Steamplay Proton was created. It was a compatibility layer to "translate" games made for Microsoft Windows Operating Systems, into programs that Linux could "understand" and run. It's not perfect, but in the leadup to the release of the Steam Deck, Proton ensured the vast majority of games could be played on Linux, a lot of them with no tweaks at all from gamers, although some games aren't perfect and some games refuse to run still. Things like Kernel Level Anticheat for instance don't play nice with Linux, though some anticheat software, like EasyAntiCheat, have versions that detect and support Linux / SteamOS, it's just devs had to enable them.

The new Steam Machine solves the two biggest problems the original releases had. They all use the same hardware (outside of storage capacity), and can rely on Steamplay Proton for compatibility with the majority of games on Steam.

They just have to stick the price point. If it's not prohibitively expensive (i.e 900-900+ USD), then it can probably become a pretty decent alternative for newer PC gamers and a ready-to-go option for people who want a console experience from their PC (or an HTPC).

Personally, I'd love to see adoption of SteamOS more. If it continues to get better it could provide an alternative to Windows as a mandatory OS for gaming.
smallcat 11 月 14 日 上午 12:06 
My old GTX 1650 delivers 40-45FPS at 1080p in many new games using FSR upscaling and frame gen . So ,Steam machine should be able to deliver 100+FPS at 1080p eventually using FSR upscaling and frame gen .yes ,on higher settings and without frame gen should be like 50+FPS . my estimates show Steam machene should have a performance as of RX 6600XT
最后由 smallcat 编辑于; 11 月 14 日 上午 12:16
C1REX 11 月 14 日 上午 12:15 
引用自 Squallrain
Do you think there will be different versions of Steam Machines?
I personally don’t think there will be a more powerful version of the steam cube from Valve any time soon

BUT

There likely will be more powerful machines with preinstalled SteamOS from other brands (Lenovo, Asus, etc.)

AND

There will be YT tutorials, potentially from channels like Linus Tech Tips and Gamer’s Nexus, showing how to install SteamOS on any full AMD device or Bazzite Linux if with Nvidia GPU.
The_Abortionator 11 月 14 日 上午 12:25 
Its literally for the plug and play console crowd. Want more? Build your own ITX PC and install Linux.
smallcat 11 月 14 日 上午 12:30 
My guess is if the things go well Steam will challenge Sony
最后由 smallcat 编辑于; 11 月 14 日 上午 12:30
引用自 TheRandomGuy
hehe valve didnt learn with other steam machine now they do it again, it will fail just like last time

valve never learns

The first Steam Machines literally weren't made by Valve. I remember them. They were all third party devices using the first version of Valve's SteamOS operating system.

That was the root of the problem. You had multiple companies like Alienware, iBuyPower, CyberpowerPC, and the like all making their own models of the Steam Machine. Some which were more powerful than others, but all were kinda underpowered a bit if I remember right.

Not having a one-size fits all approach to hardware meant some games would work better or worse depending on your model, which is confusing to customers and people who would normally be interested in buying them.

Second problem was that official Linux support for games was nonexistant. At the time of the first Steam Machines, Linux only had a few supported games on Steam, compared to Windows which made up support for like 99% of all games.

That problem was unofficially solved by Valve. A few years ago, Steamplay Proton was created. It was a compatibility layer to "translate" games made for Microsoft Windows Operating Systems, into programs that Linux could "understand" and run. It's not perfect, but in the leadup to the release of the Steam Deck, Proton ensured the vast majority of games could be played on Linux, a lot of them with no tweaks at all from gamers, although some games aren't perfect and some games refuse to run still. Things like Kernel Level Anticheat for instance don't play nice with Linux, though some anticheat software, like EasyAntiCheat, have versions that detect and support Linux / SteamOS, it's just devs had to enable them.

The new Steam Machine solves the two biggest problems the original releases had. They all use the same hardware (outside of storage capacity), and can rely on Steamplay Proton for compatibility with the majority of games on Steam.

They just have to stick the price point. If it's not prohibitively expensive (i.e 900-900+ USD), then it can probably become a pretty decent alternative for newer PC gamers and a ready-to-go option for people who want a console experience from their PC (or an HTPC).

Personally, I'd love to see adoption of SteamOS more. If it continues to get better it could provide an alternative to Windows as a mandatory OS for gaming.
valve made the 1st then let 3rd party take over, the ones by valve were better then the 3rd party ones yes but they still failed lol
Bad 💀 Motha 11 月 14 日 上午 2:33 
IDK how anyone "likes" Steam Deck. It's trash performance and expensive. Ones just as bad are even more expensive.

Steam Machine will be fine for a 1080p gaming box but we'll have to see prices and packages first. Sill have to wait until Q1/Q2 2026

I figure if it's not a PC good enough for GTA6 then basically what's the point. Cause that's going to be a good bar of measure whether you going to get that game or not.

Steam Machine will probably be only slightly better then Steam Deck. To play AAA games in smooth 1440p or 2160p (4K) you need to build your own and aim for at least RTX 5070... or get a PS5
MancSoulja 11 月 14 日 上午 2:46 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
IDK how anyone "likes" Steam Deck. It's trash performance and expensive. Ones just as bad are even more expensive.

Steam Machine will be fine for a 1080p gaming box but we'll have to see prices and packages first. Sill have to wait until Q1/Q2 2026

I figure if it's not a PC good enough for GTA6 then basically what's the point. Cause that's going to be a good bar of measure whether you going to get that game or not.

Steam Machine will probably be only slightly better then Steam Deck. To play AAA games in smooth 1440p or 2160p (4K) you need to build your own and aim for at least RTX 5070... or get a PS5

Steam Machine actually seems decently powerful but the lack of RAM worries me, unless it's socketed and upgradable. it's a pass from me.
BurakZG 11 月 14 日 上午 3:26 
Steam Machine is addressed to a casual gamer, kids and their parents. Kids will want a "gaming computer". That's checked, Steam Machine is a gaming computer. Parents will ask, can a kid learn something on it? Sure, it can run office suite, it can do Python programming, it can even run AI with ollama.

If the price will be attractive (just not more than other entry level gaming PC in the market), then it's a very good proposal for people who want a simple first PC but do not want to investigate what to buy.

People who can build their gaming PCs themselves would not buy it anyway. No matter what's inside. However, if the price will be attractive, I would be tempted to buy one and set it as a server at home...
最后由 BurakZG 编辑于; 11 月 14 日 上午 3:31
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