Whats the point of the steam machine?
Since its running on a Linux based OS. What is the target audience? Only single player gamers? or people that cant afford PC's? or both?

I think its cool that Valve are expanding hardware but I would rather continue to use the steam deck since there is a dock and you can take it anywhere.

Valve really need to start looking at multiplayer games that refuse to go on linux and make some type of deal, or at least try because the steam machine will only be able to play emulators and single player games mostly.
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引用自 ♡ Kraken ♡
Whats the point of the steam machine

It's what's known as a "market entry facilitation platform" or "market entry framework" (google it).

All the media covering the announcement of the new hardware (particularly the steam machine) are treating the steam machine as tho it's just another 'console' - and superficially it may be - but it's main purpose is to progress market development of SteamOS. A stepping stone if you will, hopefully to a point where many more games are tailored to SteamOS on multi-hardware spec configs.

If valve can push market share support high enough for SteamOS on multi-hardware spec configs, then they can start to think about SteamOS on PC proper. But it's a mammoth task to take an OS to a point where it is matured enough to be able to be installed on a desktop PC, considering the thousands of hardware permutations. Yes I know that under the hood SteamOS is just a custom distro combined with a powerful translation layer. But it's still gonna need that market share support to progress.

Remember, huge market share support is, at the end of the day, really the only reason why most people / gamers use windows over existing Linux offerings.
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smallcat 11 月 12 日 下午 5:24 
i guess it d best suit the kids . No need to deal with Microsoft quirks . Likely more user friendly
最后由 smallcat 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 下午 5:27
Chaosolous 11 月 12 日 下午 5:24 
Tell me you don't know how Linux works without telling me.

I play online multiplayer games without any issue.

DRM and Kernel Level Anti-Cheat not working on Linux is a benefit, not a loss. Those two things are both literally viruses

Anti-Cheat works on Linux and so does DRM, you just can't use Kernel Level versions of them. That's not anything to do with Linux and everything to do with publishers.

Don't blame Linux, blame the publishers. They're the ones who won't use DRM or Anti-Cheat that's not kernel level.

"Give us complete access to you computer."

"Uhhh... no?"

"Well, you can't play this game then."

"... good?"
最后由 Chaosolous 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 下午 5:25
Haruspex 11 月 12 日 下午 5:29 
引用自 ♡ Kraken ♡
Since its running on a Linux based OS. What is the target audience? Only single player gamers? or people that cant afford PC's? or both?
It's not all multiplayer games that use the kind of kernel-level anti-cheat that makes them incompatible with Linux. Just certain ones. According to Are We Anti Cheat Yet?[areweanticheatyet.com], about 40% of the games on Steam with anti-cheat work great. The other 60% don't, but as more and more people adopt Linux to game on, that puts more pressure on publishers to support it.
♡ Kraken ♡ 11 月 12 日 下午 5:29 
引用自 Chaosolous
Tell me you don't know how Linux works without telling me.

I play online multiplayer games without any issue.

DRM and Kernel Level Anti-Cheat not working on Linux is a benefit, not a loss. Those two things are both literally viruses

Anti-Cheat works on Linux and so does DRM, you just can't use Kernel Level versions of them. That's not anything to do with Linux and everything to do with publishers.

Don't blame Linux, blame the publishers. They're the ones who won't use DRM or Anti-Cheat that's not kernel level.

"Give us complete access to you computer."

"Uhhh... no?"

"Well, you can't play this game then."

"...good?"

Im not saying kernel level anti cheat is a good thing? Its a terrible thing.

THE TRUTH of the matter is that most popular multiplayer games that people have consoles for or "entry level gaming pcs" use them for is to play the big popular multiplayer games with their friends.

Im proposing Valve tries to make a compromise, no kernel level anti cheat or something like Server side anti cheat. Obviously you cant control companies to do what they want but the Steam machine really has no benefit if you already own a console lets be real.

And ive been on linux for two years. I've been on this platform and suffered not having multiplayer games on it because i like the experience better than windows.
♡ Kraken ♡ 11 月 12 日 下午 5:32 
引用自 Haruspex
引用自 ♡ Kraken ♡
Since its running on a Linux based OS. What is the target audience? Only single player gamers? or people that cant afford PC's? or both?
It's not all multiplayer games that use the kind of kernel-level anti-cheat that makes them incompatible with Linux. Just certain ones. According to Are We Anti Cheat Yet?[areweanticheatyet.com], about 40% of the games on Steam with anti-cheat work great. The other 60% don't, but as more and more people adopt Linux to game on, that puts more pressure on publishers to support it.

I know its not all multiplayer games, but its a big majority of them which this steam machine is trying to target entry level gamers with. Multiplayer games are a major factor people dont switch from windows to Linux.
Haruspex 11 月 12 日 下午 5:35 
引用自 ♡ Kraken ♡
THE TRUTH of the matter is that most popular multiplayer games that people have consoles for or "entry level gaming pcs" use them for is to play the big popular multiplayer games with their friends.
You're right, of course. It won't matter how good the hardware is. If someone just really, really wants to play Fortnite and Call of Duty, they'll be disappointed.

My biggest concern, as it has been with the Steam Deck, is that someone buys the Steam Machine excited to play Fortnite with their friends, only to discover they can't. Then they end up here, complaining and blaming everyone but themselves.
♡ Kraken ♡ 11 月 12 日 下午 5:37 
引用自 Haruspex
引用自 ♡ Kraken ♡
THE TRUTH of the matter is that most popular multiplayer games that people have consoles for or "entry level gaming pcs" use them for is to play the big popular multiplayer games with their friends.
You're right, of course. It won't matter how good the hardware is. If someone just really, really wants to play Fortnite and Call of Duty, they'll be disappointed.

My biggest concern, as it has been with the Steam Deck, is that someone buys the Steam Machine excited to play Fortnite with their friends, only to discover they can't. Then they end up here, complaining and blaming everyone but themselves.

Yeah sadly the advertising for the steam machine has been just that, targeting entry level pc gamers and console players wanting to go to pc. That is my biggest concern too which is why i ask the question of who is this targeting? what is the audience for this?
Chaosolous 11 月 12 日 下午 5:40 
Nah, I think you're vastly over-rating the "online multiplayer" aspect of gaming.

Gaben and Valve, literally have the direct consumer numbers for who is playing what on Steam, like, Valve has all this data.

If they really thought that "so many people are playing kernel level anti-cheat DRM games that a Linux system isn't worthwhile" then they wouldn't have ever launched the Deck, or these new machines.

The success of the Deck showed that a Linux system is fine for a lot of what people want. It also made more devs/publishers support Linux as a whole. Along with the whole pushing of Proton forward.

Are online games a factor? Yeah?
Is it a big one? No. I don't think so.
Do some people ONLY play online games? Yeah.
Do they represent the majority of Steam gamers? No.
最后由 Chaosolous 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 下午 5:41
♡ Kraken ♡ 11 月 12 日 下午 5:48 
引用自 Chaosolous
Nah, I think you're vastly over-rating the "online multiplayer" aspect of gaming.

Gaben and Valve, literally have the direct consumer numbers for who is playing what on Steam, like, Valve has all this data.

If they really thought that "so many people are playing kernel level anti-cheat DRM games that a Linux system isn't worthwhile" then they wouldn't have ever launched the Deck, or these new machines.

The success of the Deck showed that a Linux system is fine for a lot of what people want. It also made more devs/publishers support Linux as a whole. Along with the whole pushing of Proton forward.

Is online games a factor? Yeah?
Is it a big one? No. I don't think so.
Do some people ONLY play online games? Yeah.
Do they represent the majority of Steam gamers? No.

It just depends on what gamer you are? Do you like multiplayer games? yes? than do not buy the steam machine. But if you like everything else? Buy the steam machine.

I love the steam deck, But that goal was to compete with the switch and take that market. If people only wanted to play singleplayer games and emulators, The steam deck with the dock is just such a better pick? why do you need 5x more steam deck performance to play single player games Unless its just that unoptimized?

But I've not put much research into linux statistics or whatever for gaming. But I've seen alot when it comes to linux and multiplayer components. Games like Apex legends and other games stripping Linux support and all that jazz because "hackers".

The top 10 most popular games on steam are in fact multiplayer games. Except for the source SDK base 2007 at 10th spot. and all those except for counter strike 2 and Marvel rivals and dota 2 have Kernel level anti cheat
最后由 ♡ Kraken ♡ 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 下午 5:51
Chaosolous 11 月 12 日 下午 6:03 
The Steam Deck is already at EOL. It's not a good choice these days.

If you only play mulitplayer KLAC DRM games, then yeah, you don't want to use Linux. Obviously.

Gamers who only play KLAC DRM multiplayer games are a small section of gamers in general though, in my opinion. I think a SteamMachine will be fine.

The market has changed a lot, including Linux, since the release of the Deck.
最后由 Chaosolous 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 下午 6:04
♡ Kraken ♡ 11 月 12 日 下午 6:05 
引用自 Chaosolous
The Steam Deck is already at EOL. It's not a good choice these days.

If you only play mulitplayer KLAC DRM games, then yeah, you don't want to use Linux. Obviously.

Gamers who only play KLAC DRM multiplayer games are a small section of gamers in general though, in my opinion. I think a SteamMachine will be fine.

The market has changed a lot, including Linux, since the release of the Deck.

If steam deck is already at EOL they wont be selling it.
AbedsBrother 11 月 12 日 下午 6:18 
There is no point. Gpu is less powerful than an RX 7600XT and only has 8gb vram. The product page says "4k 60fps with FSR" which means even Valve knows they messed up.
m_sash 11 月 12 日 下午 6:23 
It’s for people who want more power than steam deck, don’t want to bother with building their own stuff and want to have something that feels like it’s integrated and “just works” and it’s not a prebuilt RGB monstrosity that you need a separate desk for. The aesthetic is that you can put it near your TV in the living room - it’s for people who care about that more than the ultra settings in their games.

I think it’s great they are bringing this to market. Traditionally steam has been more for pc gamers who can build own pc, tinker with stuff and are power users. This is not it - this is for mass market who don’t know or care what fps they have (or what it is).

I don’t agree that steam deck is there to compete with switch - I got a deck because I wanted to play some old pc games again and things I’ve missed after not gaming for 10 years. I’d never get a switch to play Nintendos games as I don’t care about Nintendo games. So basically they got me back into pc game market with ease of use. I am too old and too time constrained to work on hardware as well - I just want to play for an hour or two (but ended up being much more).

I think it will do wonders for Linux adoption on PC, maybe an official release of Steam OS for pc and hopefully push more publishers to care about the platform and work on bringing more games on the platform and not forcing the kernel level anti cheats.
smallcat 11 月 12 日 下午 6:27 
@m_sash , like turn it and forget it .hassle free
It's not hard to put together a cube case form factor PC and stick it in the TV stand, but some people don't have the time, funds or confidence to attempt it.
https://graphicscardhub.com/cube-case-pc/

I love my Coolermaster HAF XB EVO case and hope they do a refresh of it at some point with current-gen USB front panel connection. And maybe tooless sliding Nvme caddies instead of Sata caddies. And maybe classic atomic purple shell.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comments/16bljch/anyone_know_of_any_good_atomic_purple_clear/
That aesthetic really needs to make a comeback. To hell with pointless RGB on everything.
最后由 Electric Cupcake 编辑于; 11 月 12 日 下午 6:31
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